So, I watched The Good Place. All four seasons. Eight years late.
Eight years? Really? That long? Yes, apparently. That long.
Okay, since I've mentioned it, let's talk time. I mean, I guess I should talk about a lot of other things first, like the cast and the plot and the jokes, since it's a comedy and all, but no, let's talk time.
Here's Michael's explanation of how time works in The Good Place (And the rest of the after-life, probably.) That's The Good Place the actual place (Not an actual place.) not The Good Place the Netflix TV show, which, at least as far as I know, happens in boring old, regular, linear time.
Everyone got that? Good, because it comes up a lot in the extended final episode, about which I guess I can't really say much, just in case there's anyone reading this who's even further behind the zeitgeist than I am, hard though that is to imagine.
The point is, without spoilers, that a good deal of the impact of that final episode rests on various, quantified numbers of Jeremy Bearimies (Hard word to pluralize since it's more of a picture of a word than an actual word but never mind, go with it.) Except, isn't the whole point of Michael's lecture to explain that time in The Good Place can't be quantified?
Even if we posit that Jeremy Bearimy is a non-linear, non-quantifiable measurement, using Jeremy Bearimies (Y'know what? I'm going to abbreviate that. Let's call them JBs.) comparatively has to indicate... something, right?
(This is going to mean nothing to anyone who hasn't watched the show but then I'm probably the last person with a Netflix account to have gotten to it. Oh, no, wait, Mrs Bhagpuss hasn't. She's only just at Schitts Creek and Superstore so she has a while to go yet before she's on the same page as me, let alone everyone else.)
Sorry, where was I? Oh yes, time and the after-life. This is the sort of thing that really shouldn't bother me in a sitcom. I realize that. But it did and it does. Stuff like it bothered me from pretty much the opening scene of S1E1 to the final shot in the series finale.
Here's the thing that puzzles me most about The Good Place: that it was a hit. Absolutely everything about the show reeks of nerdism and I mean that in the most respectful way possible, which, on reflection, isn't all that. Respectful, I mean. But it does.
Let's leave aside, for the moment, the fact that one of the central characters is a Professor of Moral Philosophy, who not only talks about the subject constantly but gives mini-lectures on it, complete with names, quotes and examples, throughout the entire four seasons, eventually leading to every other character quoting Kant or Hume at the drop of a hat and putting the audience at genuine risk of actually learning something. I have never seen any popular show double down on what ought to have been a minor character quirk so determinedly, not to say dementedly.
No, what I'm talking about is the science-fictional element. When I heard the premise of the show many years ago I didn't think too much about it, other than to decide I didn't want to watch it because speculation about what happens after we die makes me uncomfortable. To the extent I thought about it at all, I imagined it would be some kind of fish-out-of water comedy, set against a backdrop of that delightful quasi-Edwardian vision of Heaven that went out of fashion sometime in the 1950s.
I realize now that impression was based largely on some publicity stills taken in front of Tahani's stately Good Place home-from-home and almost entirely wrong. The Good Place is actually a full-on science-fiction/fantasy-time-travel show, more likely to appeal to fans of Dr Who than Brideshead Revisited.
Science-fiction/fantasy comedies are always problematic. To get the jokes in, the writers often have to pitch the logic out to make room. Unfortunately, I find it very hard to disengage my analytical processes and, like Chidi, I find myself spending more time trying to figure out how things work than just sitting back and enjoying myself.It's a shame, because there's a lot to enjoy. The ensemble cast is excellent. On the face of it, the show almost looks like a three-hander, with Eleanor, Michael and Chidi in the starring roles, but it quickly becomes clear that there are at least six lead parts with as many more strong, recurring supporting roles.
It's Friends But They're Dead, basically.
The main, possibly the only, reason I finally buckled down and watched the
show, which I'd had in my watchlist pretty much since I got Netflix, was
because of Kristen Bell. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say
Kristen Bell is now my favorite, working female actor. (Actress? I forget
which we're using now.) Aubrey Plaza might have something to say
about it and Jodie Foster isn't out of the reckoning but Kristen Bell
is killing it just now.
She's as good here as she always is. Her facial expressions and body language are worth whole paragraphs of script, although she doesn't need to carry anything with her fantastic physical acting because the script is high-quality throughout. All the rest of the cast are on top form, too, although I think it might be fair to say some of the performances take a while to settle.
When they, do, though, they really settle. By the time the Big Finale arrives at the end of Season Four (And the final episode is a big one - double-length in fact.) it's a good bet most viewers will be feeling very warmly towards every lead and supporting character. Usually, I can call out at least one character in a long(ish) running sitcom that I could have done without but not here. Everyone is just lovely.
And here, once again, we run into the substantive problem of nothing making
any fricking sense! I'm not even talking about the plot, which if you followed
it you might want to explain it to the rest of the class. I'm talking about
emotionality and characterization. Is it feasible that everyone can really be
that nice?
Well, yes, it seems so. It's kind of the whole point, too. But to find it, you have get past a whole lot of other stuff, set-ups that are so all-fired nonsensical they're not amenable in any way to analysis or interpretation.
The conception of eternity and infinity in the show, for a start, even skipping over the way the terms are used as though they were synonymous, which they are not, never remotely threatens to achieve any definition beyond "a really long time that might be a few thousand years of maybe a few hundred but will never end." The Jeremy Bearimy explanation is there to deal with that but there's no follow-through, so it doesn't.
That's the whole time thing again, though, and I covered that already. What
about the demons, most of whom express a strong dislike of wearing skin-suits
to pose as humans but who nevertheless continue to do it almost all the time,
even when there's no objective reason for them to do it? Other than to save on
the special effects budget, of course.
Then there's the concept of immortality and the immortals themselves. It seems, other than humans, no-one ever dies and everyone has been there since the beginning of time. There are multiple references to that being so but there's no clear explanation of what any of the immortal entities are, although all of them have roles and some of them even have job titles.
The whole problem of religion gets disposed of right at the start, when
Michael tells Eleanor all religions have it a little bit right but mostly
wrong and then we never really hear of religion again. The Judge quite
specifically mentions having been there from the beginning and has, apparently,
all that tim been carrying a device whose specific purpose is to wipe the
universe and start over, although only now does she feel the need to use it.
There are a cadre of Janets, whose powers seem easily equal to the task
of Creation but there's no Creator. There are Architects, who design eternal
neighborhoods for residents of the afterlife and a Council that administers
those neighborhoods. And of course, there's The Bad Place which has a more
cogent and coherent hierarchy, one which, along with the codes and practices
it follows, I couldn't help but notice was more than a little reminiscent of
the vision of Hell conjured up by Andy Hamilton in his radio sitcom
Old Harry's Game.
If you want to know who wrote The Good Place, I can help with that. Also with how and maybe to an extent why. More than a dozen people were involved, most of whom had previously worked together on Parks and Recreation, which I did not know but do not find surprising.
Parks and Rec is a show I loved the first time I watched it but found a lot less enjoyable on a re-watch, which I wasn't even able to finish. Would I enjoy The Good Place as much, second time around? I don't know but I realize now I haven't even made it clear whether I liked it the once. I should probably clear that up.
I did. I enjoyed it a lot. A lot more than I expected, if I'm honest. I found much of it quite-to-very uncomfortable because, as I said, I really don't like anything that focuses on what happens after we die. (I think nothing, which is terrifying but a lot less terrifying than something, so it's a lose-lose for me.)
The Good Place is consistently funny. There's a slight sag in the first third of Season Three but that's about the only weak point and even then the show's not bad, just a little directionless and self-indulgent. It's also really nice to spend time with a whole load of people who are all basically nice, if annoying at times, and even better are trying and succeeding in becoming nicer still all the time.
That's the throughline, of course. And the takeaway. Literally everyone improves if you give them a chance. Even the demons. All the demons. The fundamental message of the show - and it very definitely has one and means to make sure you get it - is that no-one is so bad they can't be saved.
I guess that means it is a Christian show, after all. Even if God never shows up, let alone Jesus. It's about redemption, after all.
But who needs Jesus? Apparently all you really need to save ten billion souls is a bunch of self-centered jerk-offs, a few dissatisfied demons and some immortals who've been there, done that and would rather not do it all again because it'll cut into their box-set bingeing. Who knew?
If this feels somewhat incoherent, then good. So does the show. It might be possible to make sense of it but what would be the point? It's feel-good TV based on feel-bad concepts, which is a trick if you can pull it off.
And they can. They did.
Just one more thing. When did Ted Danson learn to act? Or could he always but just never bothered before? Not only is he really, really good in this, he's equally good in his new show, A Man On The Inside, which I started watching immediately I finished The Good Place.
That one's only eight episodes long, the first series at least, so I'll no doubt get to it here soon enough. As for Kristen Bell, she doesn't seem to have anything lined up but then I keep reading how she "came out of retirement" to do Nobody Wants This, so maybe she's back on her verandah by now, sipping mint juleps and watching the sun go down.
Living The Good Life for real. She deserves it.
I have to agree about Ted Dansen. I pretty well hated him in everything else that I have seen him in, the Good Place single handedly turned my opinion of him around completely. I think he just wasn;t being given good roles before, or something.
ReplyDeleteAlso, this is my favorite quate I have read anywhere in a least a week :-)
[On what happens after death] "I think nothing, which is terrifying but a lot less terrifying than something, so it's a lose-lose for me."
Ted Danson was good in Cheers but it was a fairly one-note role. I'd pretty much forgotten about him so it's very nice to see him again in an entirely different context and so much improved.
DeleteI don't watch much television, but I have poked my nose into The Good Place when my wife and my youngest watched it religiously one summer. I found it basically a comedy about philosophy, without all the Monty Python jokes you'd expect in that sort of a topic.
ReplyDeleteI did see the trolley bit, which amused me because it evoked the old line from Rush's Freewill: "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."
There is a ridiculous amount of actual philosophy in the show for a sitcom. The thing about all modern sitcoms, though, and indeed most longish-running narrative TV shows of the last forty years or so, is that you can't just watch an episode here and there and get the full effect, like you often could up to the 1990s. They all have character and story arcs now that last whole seasons or even entire series and there's character growth and everything, just like in real drama!
DeleteI am surprised by your focus on actual plot hole in this series, while you enjoy other series that make far less sense. From memory, you have seen the DC time travel show, with far more giant plot hole than this one ( and that's Ok, I still enjoyed it) without complaining about it.
ReplyDeleteCould it be a way to manage the discomfort with the topic ?
Heh! Assuming the DC series in question was The Flash, the post I wrote does pretty much nothing but complain about the plot. For example:
Delete"The Plots Make NO SENSE! - Seriously, do they even run these things past a grown-up before they put them into production? It's like a seven-year old telling you the plot of a movie he just watched. There's a lot of hand-waving and nothing connects with anything else."
And there was a lot more like that. I pretty much pick holes in the plots of most TV shows involving time travel because most of them don't make any sense at all. Some display greater internal consistency than others but none of them ever have any kind of rational logic because time travel is inherently irrational. It's true I was uncomfortable with the premise of The Good Life but that didn't really factor in to the issues with the plot, which weren't actually that bad compared to many other shows.
I recently watched Ted in "Man on the inside" - another great show.
ReplyDeleteHalf way through it now. It's very good and he's very good in it.
DeleteDanson was great fun in the lead role of the 1996 Gulliver's Travels miniseries, which had Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif in it for reasons that I'll never understand.
ReplyDeleteAs to The Good Place, I think it adds up in the end, if you accept a factoryful of deus ex machinas. But who cares? It's the TV equivalent of the voice novel – like Amis's Money or something.
I have the vaguest memory of that version of Gulliver's Travels. Not sure if I ever saw it or just heard about it.
DeleteThe Good Place is more internally consistent than many fantasy shows although they kind of fudge that by never really making it clear how anything works. Parts of it reminded me of The Umbrella Academy, which gets itself into more difficulty when it tries to explain the mechanics of things that work perfectly well as mysteries. It's generally better to leave the details as vaue as possible in these things, I think.
Danson did a show called Mr. Mayor that seemed OK from the few episodes I watched before I got distracted. I think that was post Good Place and pre A Man on the Inside. I'll have to track it down and see if I can remember why I stopped watching.
ReplyDeleteI missed that one entirely. It ran two seasons and is currently available only to buy through any platforms I have access to, so I'll give it a skip for now.
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